It's not a dirty little secret, and yet does anyone ever talk about it? I'm referring to relationships, like mine, where the man is way more maternal than the woman. I met a woman yesterday at a kid's party, I'll call her Tamara, and let's say we connected on a very deep level on this topic.
She was standing there, among the yelling three year olds and the squished Dora cake, quaffing wine as if her life depended on it. She was clad in low rise jeans, with a terrifying flat stomach for one who had borne two boys, and who, I was soon to learn, was over forty.
Rather than thinking, "You bitch, how can you have such a toned stomach?" I went up to her and, in an attempt to break the ice, said, "I see you have two boys under three, what are their names?" It was basically an opening for her to start spouting about her delightful kids.
But instead of warm gushing words of maternal pride, she said, "Oh God, yeah, it's something of a miracle that I have kids at all. The doctors told me my husband was infertile, and I was wearing an IUD just to be on the safe side, but I still got pregnant. One, I could just about cope with, but then the same thing happened again! When I found out I was pregnant the second time, I walked around for three weeks in a deep depression. I didn't really want to have the kid, but my husband was so keen, I went ahead with it."
Well. I was rather impressed by her forthright manner. Over a bottle of Chardonnay, she told me everything.
The parallels between our lives were frightening.
How she'd got married in New York at thirty-nine to her husband. Together they brought to the marriage nearly $100,000 worth of credit card debt. Spending $200 a night on sushi was, apparently, an every day occurence for this spend-happy pair.
Actually there's no direct parallel there. I didn't bring any debt into the marriage, but I did used to spend money like there was no tomorrow.
She was living in Manhattan, living a wild bohemian life as an artist, until her IUD let her down. She had the first kid and moved to Baltimore with her husband.
Parallel: I gave up a boho existance in London to move to Baltimore once I fell preggers.
First she and her husband bought a house in Hampden (a downtown neighborhood) and could walk, actually walk to shops (while I lived in a rented cockroach filled apartment). That's what she wanted (I didn't exactly want the cockroach filled apartment, but it was central). Then they moved to a suburb with a big house and a white picket fence, because the husband wanted a nice yard for the kids, while she would have been happy to stay in the narrow Hampden house and be crammed in like sardines (I moved to suburbia too, because my husband said it was a sound idea). On the upside, they sold the first house, and made such a profit that they were able to pay off their credit card debts.
"And now I'm bored out of my skull in suburbia," she said. "I do have one friend down the street who's a kindred spirit. At five thirty I'm usually on the phone to her saying, what are you doing darling, do you fancy coming over for a drink?"
"Oh brother, I know exactly how you feel," I said, pouring her another glass of wine.
"Imagine how happy my husband is now," said Tamara. "Being told all his life he was infertile, all the time dreaming of having kids. And now his dream has come true. It's me who can't cope with it, being with the kids day in day out. Kids were never part of my future."
"You're meant to say, but now the kids are here, I wouldn’t have it any other way."
She snorted. "Well, it's made my husband very happy."
It's the same with me. The kids have made my husband very happy, but they haven't made me very happy. I don't get the kick out of nurturing kids that many women seem to. Maybe I shouldn't have been a stay at home mom, but since I have no right to work, I didn't have much choice. Does that mean I don't love them? No. Does that make me a bad mother? Yes, in most people's eyes.
Tamara said, "I liked them when they were babies, but now they are growing up, I don't like being a parent, having to be consistent, having to implement boundaries."
"I know what you mean."
"Is it wrong to want to close the door on the kids, play classical music and make art while they bang on the door? Maybe, but I need to do it for my sanity."
"I'm exactly the same."
I had thought I was a bad mommy, but Tamara was way badder. She told me, "On weekends I tell my husband I'm off duty. I have a lie in and my husband looks after the kids the entire weekend. And often I drive up to Manhattan and party for the whole damn time."
Hmm, I thought. Unconventional. Some would say the husband was exploited, but the way he looked at those kids, he was madly in love, so no, I don't think he was.
Yeah, yeah, you can call her a bitch, but I think she's great. I think I'm going to be seeing her again….
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23 comments:
I stayed at home for 3 years with my baby and i thought i was going to go INSANE. I remember going into my room and calling it "quiet time" every afternoon so i could do a bit of stuff that I liked, such as reading a book with more than 50 words.
I'm the opposite though, babies scare me, but i like my teenager.
But she is a bitch, just because of the flat tummy!
You see this is why I am falling in love with you. You have just effectively declared war on 2/3rds of the world's Mommy bloggers.
As Oprah would say: "You go girl!"
I'm so jealous... I need to meet a Tamara here in B-ham..
'snif.
I hope you still come visit.
-Rachael
I think we all feel that way...You and Tamara (and me too) are just admitting it! You go girls....Can I come hang out too...?
My wife is ten years older than me and when I married her, her son was well into his teens...
Holy shit...
I got a vasectomy three years after we were married. ;)
Steve~
I think i know that woman. do I? had know idea she felt that way.
anyhow we moms are not allowed to say (or think) we regret being mothers. we get shot point blank for it and caged with the rapists and muggers, even if we do all the good mother things. just for thinking it.
I'm even worse than her I guess because I don't like the baby thing. I'm hoping I like it all better when they can carry on a reasonable conversation!
I think I like your new friend too.
Can I come?! Let's here it for the bad mommies!
It would be foolish to assume all women are made for nurturing babies. Most are but many aren't. I think the most important thing to remember when having kids is to not stop living. That's the most common problem I notice among couple. Suddenly a kid comes along and in the next ten years there are no more restaurants, travel, parties, flirting, wine, tequila, workouts, hobbies, sex,or romantic evenings with the spouse. What the fuck are these parents thinking? No wonder people are going insane. It's possible to have kids AND have fun in all kinds of ways. It just takes a lot more work. For women, the man is obviously usually the problem since he automatically assumes that the woman will stay at home. And the men are too lazy and stupid to help out enough at home and give their spouse some breathing room.
Thanks for the honest post and sorry about my rant. Me and my wife are big believer in having kids AND having fun....
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meno...Yeah, I think I will start to enjoy the kids as they get older and they can teach me about modern pop music etc.
moobs...hey, most mommybloggers are okay, they are just wired totally different from me.
crankmama...I am going to come see you, just hold your horses.
janet...I can't believe we all feel the same!!
Steven...vasectomies are definately the way to go.
kira...you know her all right. She's a riot.
oh the joys...i can just about have a reasonable conversation with my six year old 10 per cent of the time.
cesca...yeah, she cracks me up.
kristin...could be a new political movement. Bad Mummies Revolting.
guero...you are a lovely, lovely man. Yes, it is often the man's fault that he leaves the woman to suffer at home, but often it is also the woman's. She believes she should be fulfilled by the child, and when she isn't, she questions who she is, and wonders why she doesn't feel fulfilled.
you are so right, you have to make time to have FUN with your spouse, as well as on your own. The kids don't have to be hanging off you the whole time.
I'm a stay at home Mom for the first time ever, and it's driving me mad.
I love my kids, but have zero tolerence for whining.
My husband stayed home for over a year with them, and adored it.
Now, we're in a new state, with no friends, and I'm stuck with Saddam and Osama.
(They're really not that bad).
I relate to you and your new friend. I'm off on the weekends, too.
I'm kind of in the opposite position since I work and husband takes care of the baby. But I always try to take over after work and on weekends so he gets some time to himself. I feel very fortunate that I get to spend some adult time out of the house.
You know, when the child is acting up when Daddy's out of the house I often put my head in my hands and think "what the hell was I thinking???"
I get so frustrated...
I like Tamara.
Emma, to extend this even further back -- I so resented all the people who told me how great I should feel when I was pregnant. I hated it! I felt heavy, and lumbering, and generally lousy. There was no glow.:) Furthermore, the whole breastfeeding thing left me cold (and sore).
I enjoyed the kids (most of the time -- I do remember moments of sobbing uncontrollably, thinking I would never have a life again) once they were born, but have enjoyed them more as they've aged. Despite their other drawbacks, teenagers are much more interesting to talk and be with than toddlers.
Screw those who tell us how to feel and to be, whether as mothers or as human beings.
What a wonderfully refreshingly honest post. I'm sure you are the better mother for it.
Hi Emma :) thanks for visiting my blog. This was a great, honest post and I am sure many people feel the same way and just don't speak of it. I have always wanted a baby and did not get one until I was 35 and she was 12 weeks early and went through hell... needless to say she means more to me than anything else in this world although there are just times when I want to hibernate and have time to myself..lol
Not to worry about the non-maternal instincts. I'm thrilled to death that I DON'T have kids...I agree with meno...flat stomach=bitch...LOL
I am certainly not the stay at home mom type either. I have many "Stepford Mommy" friends who are constantly appalled at my behavior. I LOVE my kids, but I also LOVE to get away from them, from time to time! I thrive on "Me" time! ( At least small doses of it) Funny that you moved from London to suburbia when you got pregnant. When I got pregnant, my husband and I were making plans to move to London so he could finish researching his disertation and be a teacher's assistant at Oxford. ( It was romantic to be newly married and living in a flat in London. Not so romantic when you throw in a newborn, new country, and no family!) Next thing you know, we are buying a house and he is deciding not to finish his PHD. I suppose everthing happens for a reason. Isn't that what I am supposed to say?
The honesty here is wonderful. You are saying things that most parents would never admit to, but have probably felt from time to time.
I often think of how different my life would have been without children. Had I not married my highschool sweetheart at 23. Had I not ended up a single mom, pregnant out of wedlock at 36.... How different my life would have been. I always wanted children though, it is only now after having them that I wonder if maybe I wasn't intended for motherhood. I do my best, I will raise my 4 children with respect, love, guidance, but God help me, when the last one is out the door, I am moving into a one bedroom apartment!!!
I love the honesty. I've been fortunate enough to have a couple of friends and a sister with whom I can be honest about how I really feel about the kids/being a parent.
Sometimes, it just fucking sucks.
I am not one of those parents who gave every part of myself over when I became a SAHM. I need balance. Grown up conversations. Wine at playdates. QUIET TIME ALONE.
There are way more of us than you might have first realized.
LOVED this post! Honest to the core sistah...
Especially loved her quaffing the wine by the Dora cake...that shall be this Saturday...
Wow and I thought there was something wrong with me!! I never had a maternal bone in my body until I fell pregnant I adored and in a way still do my son, he was followed over the years by 3 more.For years I poured all my love and affection into my kids as my marriage was devoid of this. I hate being domestic and after 10 years of hell and part time crap jobs( for the adult company) I went back to work. I loved it, no more days of cleaning kids and the house after they have done their worst. Now I am a single mum and I fought hard to get custody of my kids who I do adore youngest just turned 11. they don't 'need me' in the same way anymore. If I had thought they would be better off with their father ( who claimed I am unfit to be a mother) I would have walked away. I do love them but a lot of the time I wish they were not here. Is that as awful I feel? Eldest wants to move out and I cant wait except that means I would have to be here more for the younger ones.
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