Thursday, April 24, 2008
Love is all about tongues
This makes me feel so inadequate. How can I compete? I don't even have a removable tongue!!
Also to the guy in this video: If you can afford the $6,500 for one of these dolls maybe you can afford to move out of your parents' home?
The extract is from a documentary on Real Dolls called Guys and Dolls made by Channel 5
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In spite of the subject matter, I thought this was really well made, one of the better things I've seen on Youtube that wasn't a comedy. Hey, whatever gets you through the night, huh?
Lars is a damaged individual.
I found this obviously, you know, very sad and slightly unnerving but I just go back to my mantra on anything that is out of what I consider 'normal' and that is - if he isn't hurting anybody then it's no one else's business to judge.
I can see though that his Father would find it hard to talk to him about it though. Ah - awkward!
I saw the documentary when it was aired on Five.
It makes me wonder what in his upbringing did (to use Orhan's term) damage him so much.
I guess, though, it's more normal than keeping your dead mother's corpse in a rocking chair in the attic and dressing like her to kill young women.
But possibly not much more normal.
'If you can afford the $6,500 for one of these dolls maybe you can afford to move out of your parents' home?'
Because, perhaps, I had Sidore for about four years before I had to move back into my parents due to certain circumstances?
Assumptions. Never good.
Davecat? Hmm.
I'm not so distrubed by the fact he's wasted so much money on a masturbatory aid as that he spends time and money dressing the doll and then massaging it's feet! He's evidently made the choice to avoid a relationship with a real woman and that is deeply sad.
oh fucking hell...
i really don't know what else to say...
Oh wow. This poor guy. But then there are much more dangerous kinds of delusions, aren't there? He probably has to live with his parents after spending so much money on the doll. It is quite interesting how he refers to her as one would refer to a real person. He may even get angry if someone pointed out that she isn't real. She's definitely real to him. Yikes. But again, as long as this delusion doesn't cause him to go on a psychotic rampage...
I have two reactions:
One: Imagine what a far distance we've come since our hunter/gatherer days for folks to have the time to think up something like this.
Two: Imagine what a short distance we've come since our hunter/gatherer day for folks to have the time to think up something like this.
Holy Christ on a Cracker. I can't get over his last words, "But mostly it's that we are here for each other."
Oh my. (Sorry, previous comment was riddled with mistakes.)
This is one of those things that men see and automatically shout "What a fucking loser!", but at the back of their head is the tiny voice saying " . . but I wouldn't mind trying it just once."
. . . a bit like prostate massage.
suzy....Yeah whatever gets you through the night - but I hope his relationship with the doll doesn't mean he's given up on women.
orhan kahn....Lars from the movie gets over his Real Doll fetish by drowning the doll. Still, he is pretty disturbed.
sparsely kate.....Certainly I don't care that he is sleeping with this doll but I would just be interested to know is he seriously considering living with this 'woman' forever. I mean it just must be so boring, I mean, come on, the conversations must be a bit one sided, as must be the sex.
Ro... It makes me wonder what in his upbringing did (to use Orhan's term) damaged him so much.
Well, the guy in the documentary davecat is on my blog maybe he will answer some of these questions.
Davecat...
Assumptions. Never good.
True, I did make assumptions. So why don't you explain it to me? What is better about Sidore over a human woman? Do you think of Sidore as a human or not? Is the orgasm for you having sex with her more intense than with a woman? Is Sidore a stop gap until you meet the right woman?
Also ... do you feel you are damaged, and if so what happened to you to damage you so much?
I would be quite interested to find out more about your motivations.
Steve...
He's evidently made the choice to avoid a relationship with a real woman and that is deeply sad.
I wonder if that is correct. It is very sad if he has given up on women, maybe he had a bad experience and he didn't want to get hurt again. To which I would say, please try again Davecat there are some lovely women out there.
Daisy...
oh fucking hell...
This is a head scratcher all right.
Karen ^..^...
then there are much more dangerous kinds of delusions, aren't there?
Absolutely true...but I don't think he is that deluded. He must know that this doll doesn't have a soul. He just has a fetish for it maybe?
Meg...
Imagine what a short distance we've come since our hunter/gatherer day for folks to have the time to think up something like this.
You mean you think that this situation signifies that men are programmed to get attached to a beautiful woman, even if she is made of plastic?
Kimber...
"But mostly it's that we are here for each other."
Still, it sounds like he means it....and I don't think it's more odd than those people who say their dog is their best friend.
Inchy...
but I wouldn't mind trying it just once.
I know but surely just to see what it felt like, not to have a relationship with?
a bit like prostate massage.
I am pretty broad minded but that's one thing that's never appealed, maybe one can get a Real Doll to do that on demand.
I think there was an old guy in that documentary who said he was in love in his doll. Tongues? Don't forget about what's between her legs, which is said to produce very satisfactory sensations.
gorilla bananas...
Don't forget about what's between her legs, which is said to produce very satisfactory sensations.
Wouldn't you get much the same effect from inserting your member into a warm apple pie? Plus it's $6,498 cheaper than a Real Doll?
OMG! That is sooo creepy on so many levels! She looks dead. Might as well be too. If that was my son I would be creeped out too! Actually I would probably have a complete breakdown.
Don't get me wrong - I could care less about him having/using the doll. On that end, it is just a fancier more expensive masturbation tool. No big deal there. It is the emotional attachment to it that I find scary.
Holy crap on a bun. That is one of the most disturbing things I've seen. Almost as shocking as the picnic table debacle. Don't you think it would be easier (and cheaper!) to go on a dating site?
Removable tongues. *shudder*
I'm, well, tongue-tied.
I can't get over the way he talks about his 'relationship' as though it's normal. Like one with a real human.
I can't fathom whether his parents have been super-over-protective of him or not protective enough . . .I dare say he'll be well-protected in a psychiatric hospital fairly soon in any case.
I missed it, but are we absolutely sure it wasn't aired on April 1st? Please, please, tell me it was.
I was so haunted by it I did my own (gay-ish) take on it on my own blog. Thanks for the shock. I mean inspiration.
What with the rape of the picnic table as well (I don't suppose he calls her Lucretia during the foreplay, by any chance?) I've had to tell my vacuum cleaner I'm just not up to it tonight. I've got a headache.
I kicked my living doll out after I came home and found her cheating on me with the outdoor furniture and my bicycle.
I can't trust anyone anymore.
I think I might avoid real relationships and just blog from now on...
EmmaK -
Short answers:
What is better about Sidore over a human woman?
She's brought me a level of comfort, security, and stability that I've never been able to find with Organik partners. She's entirely non-judgemental, she'll never ask me for things I can't provide, she'll never leave me for someone else, and she'll never manipulate my feelings to serve her own ends.
Do you think of Sidore as a human or not?
I treat her as a human, but I know she's a Doll. It doesn't make sense to me to treat something that's in the shape of a beautiful woman as a thing.
Is the orgasm for you having sex with her more intense than with a woman?
It's extremely enjoyable, yes.
Is Sidore a stop gap until you meet the right woman?
Sidore is a stopgap until they start mass-producing female Androids.
Also ... do you feel you are damaged, and if so what happened to you to damage you so much?
No, I don't feel damaged at all. I probably would be if I was lonely and had absolutely no-one, but Shi-chan does a rather good job of preventing that.
Don't feel inadequate. at least you can wiggle your hips.
Seriously, a real doll must be like fucking a corpse, which kind of makes me worried about the sort of person who'd buy one.
"Mmmm! Stiff, limp and cold! Just what I like in a lifeless female body!"
Holy crap, the guy from the documentary wrote on this board. Now I feel really guilty about what I wrote.
Erm.
Let me explain. I heard about the real dolls and at first it sounded AWESOME. A physically beautiful female form that you don't have to get 'in the mood' before you roger her senseless.
But although that sounds great at first, I kind of figured it would get old really quick. If I'm ever feeling ridiculously horny and bother my wife, she now knows that she can instantly disarm me by pulling up her skirt, yawning and saying: 'Yeah, I'm not really in the mood, but go right ahead. Knock yourself out.'
Not sexy.
So I figured a beautiful girl (even a cold, limp one) at your disposal all the time would probably, actually, not be sexy at all! At least, after a while!
In the words of Alfie: 'No matter how beautiful a girl is, just remember: Somewhere out there, some bloke is sick of shagging her.'
Unless a woman had her difficult, contrary, insane, headfuck moments, I don't think it would be possible to have a sustainable relationship with her even if she had a body like a Real Doll.
Coincidence? I featured other detachable items on my blog post...
well, I have a close relationship with a male doll emma, from which all of the rest of his body has been removed except his cock so I can't really scoff at removable tongues
Judgemental assholes- you all make me sick.
Stacey Leigh.
Are you being judgemental about 'judgenmental assholes' ?
What an interesting post and even more interesting thread.
Question to Davecat (the man featured in the documentary)
Isn't using different tongues kind of like ... adultery ???
You need to know that Sidore gets stimulated by strange things - she came with a warranty after all.
At least she did when I had her ... before you.
I made her scream like a bitch.
Stacy -
Nice to see a friendly face. ;-) Give your gorgeous Dolls kisses from myself and Shi-chan!
I'm with Stacy Leigh on this one. You guys are taking it too far.
Dave-Cat I admire you for speaking up about something that most of us don't understand. You shouldn't have to sell your soul to get us to understand, either.
Most of us wave a freak flag in one form or another. It's easy to pick on the dude that waves it a little higher, that's all. Wish ya well.
hehe it's funny, My work has barred whatever the video is so I have to use my imagination istead instead...boy is that scary!!
I am torn Emmak.. between the 'Oh GOd Oh Fuck Oh My GOD is he serious??' to the 'I think a fella with a real doll is gonna find it hard to find a real woman who will not think it a bit odd that there is a silicone body under the bed..' to.. I better shut my trap cos I truly don't have the brain power to comprehend something that is outside my concept of the norm..
Davecat. All power to you my friend. I think what freaks me out though is the blank look of the doll.. and the fact that you need to lift and position her.. it is to me a little like the concept of playing with a cadaver..
Just my narrow view.
ab....She looks dead.
That's the main thing I don't get, how one could make love to something so totally unresponsive.
It is the emotional attachment to it that I find scary.
After davecat explained it a bit I guess it almost seems normal insofar as he is definately not so crazy that he thinks the doll is a human.
Kathryn...
I'm not sure what it's all about. Maybe the doll represents his aesthetic ideal, also the doll will never hurt him.
Camerawhore...
I can't get over the way he talks about his 'relationship' as though it's normal.
Yes, that is a bit odd. But he explains below that he knows she's not 'real'.
I dare say he'll be well-protected in a psychiatric hospital fairly soon in any case.
My guess is that davecat is a very sensitive person who has been devastated by one or maybe more women in real life and has since decided to not bother putting himself out there again. And he may indeed find it easier to have relationships with dolls. Why not? Except I would find it so boring not to be able to talk to the person.
What with the rape of the picnic table as well
Hey who says it was rape? They were going steady ? ;)
fingers...
I kicked my living doll out after I came home and found her cheating on me with the outdoor furniture and my bicycle.
An elementary mistake. When you leave the house always padlock your Real Doll to the radiator or the least sexy object in the house.
Davecat...
thanks for the explanation. Personally I think it would be rather boring. I mean you can't talk to her or if you do you'd have to do her voice too, and her responses would be entirely predictable.
she'll never manipulate my feelings to serve her own ends.
I believe you have probably been hurt by women. We have all been hurt by women or men. That doesn't mean we have to give up on relationsips. The thing about having a relationship with a Real Doll is that it is entirely static, without any surprises etc. I suppose you prefer security over unpredictability.
Also, I'd be interested in whether you think people like the guy http://mommyhasaheadache.blogspot.
com/2008/04/e-spot-no-picnic.html
who regularly fucked his picnic table are crazy or are they in love with the table or what?
female Androids.
I can see the appeal of a robot that actually moves. But why do you want one? would you like to program the android to be your ideal woman?
Roland Hulme...
Seriously, a real doll must be like fucking a corpse
That's my feeling. The idea of not being able to feel the heat of skin, the scent of skin, I just couldn't do it. I don't know how I would even feel turned on.
I am thinking that maybe Real Dolls could be sort of mistresses for married men (that the wives knew about) so if the wife isn't in the mood the mistress Real Doll can be utilized for a quick fuck. But like you say, to have a relationship with a Doll would just be so dull I am amazed Davecat can sustain it. But good luck to him!
VE...
I am going to check out your blog right now!!
rilly super...
all of the rest of his body has been removed except his cock so I can't really scoff at removable tongues
I have a cucumber that is very large and that pleasures me a great deal but I would not say I am in love with it. ;)
Stacy Leigh...
come on now Stacy there must be something you are judgmental about.
electro-kevin...
Are you being judgemental about 'judgenmental assholes' ?
Well said!
sparsely kate...
Dave-Cat I admire you for speaking up about something that most of us don't understand.
True, it was nice of him to explain this.
Conortje...
you will never be able to imagine something this bizarre believe me.
kimba...
'I think a fella with a real doll is gonna find it hard to find a real woman who will not think it a bit odd that there is a silicone body under the bed..'
Fact is, he has no interest in finding a real woman. So it is just interesting to think whether in twenty years many or most men will have silicone partners.
did you see the movie with ryan gosling? i haven't yet...but the dude's hot so i prolly will.
Kara....I saw the movie Lars and the Real Girl but Ryan Gosling is definately not hot in it! Good film though.
"Except I would find it so boring not to be able to talk to the person."
This may be the point. Perhaps these men who have these real dolls do not like women to have an opinion. Perhaps they do not like women at all except for what sexual pleasure they can provide. In that regard, a real doll makes perfect sense. We may not be able to understand it, but not many people understand what is foreign to them. I try to keep as open a mind as possible, but even I can't understand it. It doesn't make it wrong or "evil". It just makes it different. Also, Davecat gets lots of human interaction online. He has several live accounts, including blogger, and has lots of friends on the internet.
Also, I think it would be truly horrific and evil if a man were truly sick of hearing a woman's opinions and just went out occasionally, bound and gagged hapless women, and raped them for his sexual pleasure. And of course, power. These "real doll" guys are not hurting ANYONE. Not even themselves, as they are the ones who made the choice to not have a conventional relationship. Davecat knows Shi-chan isn't real, but he has a much more heightened sense of fantasy, and therefore can make it work for himself. Hey, better than a rapist or necrophiliac. Right?
wow...that is freaky...
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