
Today on Salon I read an excerpt from Marrying Anita: A Quest For Love In The New India, a book by Anita Jain. Ms. Jain, who lives in New York, had got tired of pretending that dating was fun and had turned her back on the traditonal pick and mix of penises and STDs, of burst condoms, drunkenly scribbled phone numbers on match boxes, she didn't want an affair with a married man, had no interest in being a fuckbuddy to anyone and didn't want a friends with benefits non-committal relationship either. She wanted to fall in love and get married and said that admitting that made her run the risk of seeming like a freak.
"To admit to others that I yearned for a long-term commitment or marriage… sounded regressive as soon as it emerged from my mouth," she writes. "It was atavistic in nature, a throwback to a time when women couldn't financially support themselves. It was a piece of treacherous anathema in the age of strong, independent working women." Ms. Jain came to the conclusion that there was nothing wrong with her: There was something wrong with the system.
"We are told that it's best to meet friends of friends," Ms. Jain writes. "We all think this is a brilliant idea, until we realize that we've already met all of our friends' friends ... two years ago." She lays the blame on Western culture, specifically the American pride in being the best:
"For a decidedly unmystical society that seems to have the answer for everything else — the best medical care, cutting-edge technology, superhighways, and space shuttles — it seems odd that people are left to their own resources, casting around for another lonely soul, for what is arguably the most important decision of their lives."
I really think she has a point. So much emphasis is put on how once women get hitched we have somehow signed on to some old-style ball and chain prison sentence and have forgone our independence, but let's face it, love makes the world go round and can you really say you're not happiest when you're in love? I think most people become a lot less neurotic when they're in a good healthy love relationship rather than whizzing around on the dating merry go round like headless chickens.
Anyway, since Ms. Jain couldn't find the right guy in New York she made a decision: She'd go to India, where men actually want to get married. "People commonly go to India to find themselves or to find god, but I went to India to find a husband," she writes.
Good on her, I say. She was tired of feeling that wanting a commitment was a sign of weakness in the West. And okay, some women like living alone but many don't and why not admit you're desperately lonely and want to be in a long term relationship or marriage? It's almost like admitting defeat, like saying that the Sex and the City lifestyle is fun at first but soon feels like drinking flat Coke and eating stale crisps.
Even Peaches Geldof has just got married rather than dipping her wick with every Tom Dick and Harry by marrying some ginger rocker. Good on ya Peaches!
So what do you say? Is dating like eating a bag of bad nuts or would you rather be married?








30 comments:
Good on her for wanting what she wants and going out to get it, I say. Personally, I say a healthy and loving relationship is far better than trying others on for size willy nilly.
After I got divorced the first time, I said I was never getting married again. After I got divorced the second time, I swore I would never get married again.
After three years of being by my lonesome self, I want to get married. I want the love, the commitment, the relationship, the partnership, the everything, good and bad. I just need to find that fucking bloke already!
I have been, and always will be, alone in life so I can't really add more than that.
such a cliffhanger! did she find a sucker? oh, i'm sorry...i meant "husband".
not very subtle, am i.
Dating is exciting but also stressful, risky, hard work (not necessarily a bad thing) and can make or break you. Marriage (a good one) is a rock. I woulnd't want to go back to dating for all the world. It's great having someone to fight for and someone to fight for me. It has its fair share of excitement and risk but the rewards are so much better and longer lasting.
I would rather be married to somebody absolutely in love with me and me with him. And if it's not absolutely - then I'd rather be by myself.
Dating v Marriage? Isn't that like comparing apples and oranges? Me, I stick to bananas.
Urgh, dating is driving me MAD at the moment! I don't want marriage again, but I would just like to have a steady relationship, instead of meeting different blokes all the time, trying to figure out if it could work with any of them!
She is going to regret going to India to get married, thats all I'm saying about that.
As for me, I'd like to marry someone I'm on a perpetual date with. You can have it both ways.
I believe her reasoning is heavily flawed and somewhat self-pitiful. Also a very generalised idea of the western world.
You can't always get what you want but if you try somtimes you get what you need.
first off...i don't think you have to be married to prevent you from dipping into several pools, so to speak...i think that is a personal choice and it doesn't matter if you have a ring on your finger or not...second...marriage does have draw backs...there is no perfect solution or i'm sure i would have found it by NOW!
I talked to my mom on the phone yesterday and as always got sad about how lonely she is. Me and my sister are grown up and out of our home, she divorced my father a couple of years ago and she's on her own now. In such moments I pray to get happily married asap. On the other hand, there is no guarantee that the marriage will survive or that you won't get separated by something that is out of your control. However, when I talk to my friends who are already in the marriage business, changing diapers, choosing wallpaper for the living room, arguing with their husbands, I feel happy I am still single. But overall I vote for marriage.
I think that everyone is different and they should do what is best for them. Noone is alike and so her answer might not be the same as the person next to her. But for what she did, it was what she wanted. People can always find a way to point the blame. So I agree with her that she did what she thought was right but as for blaming American Society, (Especially living in New York. New York is not all of the United States and she shouldn't generalize they whole U.S. from her experience in New York) is a don't. This is where generalization comes in and trying to point fingers at someone elses' ways of life and just because they are not what she wanted or expected, doesn't mean that they are wrong in their ways either.
As for me, I've been married 8 years, got married at 20 and knew my husband a total of 3 months before I married him and we are still best friends, so as I'm saying everyone is different and I think that everyone has their own way of living and shouldn't point fingers just b/c they are not like each other.
Finally, a Ginger gets his share of the post-jailbait famous-by-virtue-of-her-father tottie. Hooray.
Lets hope Fifi Trixibelle does lots of drugs and serial shags deadbeat rockers.
Someone has to live up to the family name.
My problem is finding that special lady who shares a lot of the interests and values that I have - while also being willing to take a shit on me while we have kinky sex. That's all I'm asking for. I'm willing to use Saran Wrap.
I'd go to India to find that delicately nuanced blend of characteristics, if necessary - I'm flexible and open minded that way.
well a bit of both. dating is fine if that's what you want, or a guide to getting closer to someone you do want to marry, but then an arranged marriage is a bit like a blind date innit? except you both decide if you want to marry each other rather than date each other.
cunning linguist...I'm all for trying on others for size willy nilly before settling down but I just wonder if the 'try before you buy' theory has gone too far these days and men especially are happy trying rather than eventually buying the cow (because they got the milk for free!)
Molly...
I am crossing my fingers that you will be third time lucky! xx
just bob...
I can't figure out if you are happy being alone or not....if not I send you a big hug
Kara...
ha ha...you think she'd be divorced by 20 then??
Steve...
I wouldn't want to go back to dating, well maybe dating my husband before we had kids. I would love to sleep in on Sundays and have a good roll in the hay!
SPARSELY KATE...
you are a great romantic and I think you will find a guy who appreciates you if you are patient
Gorilla Bananas...
I stick to bananas.
Me too only mine have whipped cream on them, oh, and wet nuts
Trixie...
I hope you do find a nice boyfriend soon, you seem to be suffering a bit on your blog
Orhan Kahn...
She is going to regret going to India to get married, thats all I'm saying about that.
I really think the Indians have the marriage thing more sorted than we do. But that said, unless you have been born into that culture it would be difficult to have an arranged marriage etc
Daisy...
You may not have found the perfect solution but you will have a lot of fun trying to find it
lalita...
I feel happy I am still single.
enjoy yourself. Especially enjoy the sleep that you will not have once you have kids
Drywall Mom...
New York is not all of the United States
I know, I just thought it was kind of brave of her to go all the way to India to find her dream guy
Roland Hulme...
Finally, a Ginger gets his share of the post-jailbait famous-by-virtue-of-her-father tottie. Hooray.
watcha saying roland?..."It shoulda been me?" lol
garfer...
I'm sure Fifi will have a more rock and roll lifestyle. I feel so sorry for that kid. She found her mom dead after Paula OD'd on heroin. It will have fucked her up no doubt
Gargamello...
I share your values. Let's compromise, you can smear me in Nutella and I'll forgo the Saran wrap?
Mars...
arranged marriage is a bit like a blind date innit?
I guess so. I think arranged marriage is a good idea as long as you can turn the bloke down
I am dubious about the basic premise. Most of the women I know-online and offline-- are very clear about the fact that they are interested in loving, fully-committed, long-term, monogamous relationships. I know almost no women that would say that their goal is to get involved with unavailable married man or that they just want an f-buddy. That may be what they take out of terrible loneliness or need, but I personally don't know any women who have that as a preference.
Of course, the fact that I don't know these women, doesn't mean that they don't exist.
obesio....I was trying to say that while many women don't have the objective of being a fuck buddy or the other woman or being used, in my experience it is a case of maybe going into something with a guy and wanting something real and serious and then a few weeks down the line realizing he has been lying or all he wants is casual sex even if you have spent it out in the beginning that you want more than that.
Not sure on the marriage front bit at the mo. The fantasy of marriage is lovely at times but kind of daunting, too. Can we not just live with our significant other in a committed relationship? Or do we have to have the ring, the joined accounts, etc.? Maybe I want that stuff as well, just not right now...
Marriage or dating; there's a pair of options for you.
Can I please take what's behind Door # 3...
There's nothing wrong with the desire to be with someone else in a healthy, loving relationship. So long as you're pretty much okey dokey with yourself first. Although, how common is that, that kind of self possession? Anyway, I think for me, who had a raging good time being single, is that I met someone so cool, I didn't want to be without him. So for me, marriage is more about the person than the position.
Men in the West have no aversion to commitment. Some do, but it isn't all or even most men. Our entire culture, led by the Baby Boomers, has decided to celebrate random sex and the end of marriage, and so that is what we have been doing since 1969. The fact that most of us deep down, if we are honest, actually want and expect to marry, is something we are told to be ashamed of. There is no support of marriage in the West anymore, but there is plenty of desire for it still. Marriage exists for a reason. Men and women need it. We have simply followed behind a generation that foolishly tossed it into the trash, and we are all dealing with the consequences of that, whether they be good or bad. New York is a party place, not a marriage place. If she wanted a husband she could just as easily gone to Dallas, Texas, or Nashville, Tennessee, and done as well. She just needed to get out of New York. That's my opinion, anyway, for what it's worth.
I am not a serial dater. I don't like the idea of "trying a lot of men on for size" so to speak.
I am and always have been a one man woman. Unfortunately, I have always been the last rat to leave a sinking ship due to this particular trait.
I don't mind being alone, but I don't want to be alone forever. I have been alone for 9 years. I'm tired of it, and want a full commitment. If I don't get it, I'll walk away until I do find it.
I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting that, and anyone who does think that is most likely a commitment phobe. I have had more men try to make me feel less somehow, for wanting that. I don't understand why I wasted more than 5 minutes with them after that. But I'm better now, LOL.
Dating vs Marriage
[Jeopardy music]
What is, I don't know?
Personally, I'm a married woman who would love to have f*ck buddy.
But I think I point is--because I lived in Tokyo and they have a tradition of arranged marriage--when one is in love, they are in no position to decide if their partner is marriage-worthy. Thus the appeal of arrangements.
Nice blog! btw, thanks for visiting Meg's Fantasies--it's a computer dummy's way of making a second page to my real blog--Prefers Her Fantasy Life.
I've got real dudes on my real blog that I've love to date or marry or f*ck, or whatever the case may be.
Her idea is sound and a good one, but I hope she's taken everything else about Indian society into account. She might enjoy the freedom here, but what about over there?
fingers...
Marriage or dating; there's a pair of options for you.
Can I please take what's behind Door # 3...
I think that only leaves pay to play...that option can be risky according to Spitzer...but go right ahead if it works for you
Spitzer ??
Who the fuck is he ??
Spitzer is history.
Phelps is the man now...
Oh, marriage was fun when she wasn't pissed out of her brain and trying to knock my head off.
It was fun when I couldnt talk to or look at another woman because I only wanted to fuck them
It was great when I found out that there were previos marriages not just one.
It was really fantastic when my best friend from childhood couldnt come over because she didnt like his wife.
But I digress---I would love to be married again---or in a life time relationship
But I am pleased to have a fuck buddy who is a friend
And pleased to be in love with another friend who is too scared to leave a violent possessive relationship to be with me.
I'm greatful to be loved, alive and hopeful
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