
I recently found out that a friend of mine, Ed, who lives in London, just died of lung cancer aged 45. Now this guy was an ex-alcoholic and lived a healthy life. I think he might have smoked in his youth but crikey, lung cancer? No one gets lung cancer at 45, do they? My first two (un-Christian) thoughts were:
1. He may as well have stayed an old soak and had a good crack if he was going to croak at 45.
2. Maybe that stuff they tell you about London being so polluted it is the same as smoking ten fags a day is true and he literally choked on the smoke.
Ex-alcoholics are a funny bunch aren't they? I had a friend while I lived in London, Alice, and we had many a drunken shenanigan together, dancing half dressed on bar tops to Abba etc. Then she disappeared for a while and when she phoned me she said, "Sorry I haven't been in touch for two years but I'm an alcoholic." I wondered what she was on about since she'd been the sort to have a sniff of whisky and be drunk but she claimed that she'd got to the point where she'd drink every day after work - only three cans of beer, mind - and had stopped answering the phone. I didn't consider this to be alcoholism but horses for courses, she did. So she went to AA and met this guy who has since popped it, Ed, and they hung out with lots of AA people and I met them all several times. They kept telling me I was an alcoholic but I said it was unlikely because if I am home and fancy a drink and there is no booze I will never go out and buy some (chocolate is another matter).
Anyway, I went to an AA meeting once for a crack. Except it wasn't really. When I arrived a famous actor from Eastenders welcomed me with open arms. I said, "Er, I'm not an alcoholic, I've just come along with Ed and Alice." He nodded sagely as if to say, "Denial, oh yes, we've all been there."
One of the major problems with ex alcoholics is that they are always dying for a drink and pretending they're absolutely fine with an apple juice mixed with soda water. I once went to a New Years Eve party full of AA people where there was no booze. Longest five hours of my life. Another time I went to an AA party at a pub (oh the irony) with Ed and Alice and was the only one who got bladdered. I was chatting up this ex-alkie hot guy and took him home and almost got him through my front door - at which point he declared, "I think you're drunk." I said, "So what?" To which he replied, "I am making this decision for both of us: you are too drunk to know what you are doing," and departed. Here's the rub to this story (or rather the lack of a rub): there is no possibility of casual sex with an AA person. That was it. The final cocktail umbrella in the coffin. I never hung out with AA people again.
My opinion of AA, NA and all the rest is that it's mainly about getting someone to listen to your ramblings and if you have an officially sanctioned 'addiction' so much the better. Psychotherapists are pretty expensive and generally a total waste of time.
Do you think that 'addicts' are basically all just attention addicts or that some of them really have some er, gene that makes them susceptible to sitting in large stinking rooms where everyone chains smokes and drinks instant coffee and talks about how mum never loved them etc?
Also, is London really that polluted?



























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London is no more polluted than any other Western city and a darn sight less polluted than Cairo of Beijing... as for ex alcoholics... don't know many. Or indeed any. I know a few still-up-for-it alcoholics... physical wrecks the lot of them which must be even les fun than hanging out with the AA lot. My aunt was an alcoholic and died last September - only 52 and not a very happy lady at all. She'd stopped drinking to be happy decades ago and was merely drinking so as not to face up to the fact. Any kind of addiction stinks. Unless it's to chocolate. Chocolate is great.
Alcoholism is real, but I don't think everyone who thinks they're an alcoholic is.
Maybe in London they call it an addiction but AA in the US calls it a disease. That's where they lost me.
Now don't go all Tom Cruise on therapy. It has saved my life on more than one occasion. Yes, there are bad shrinks and bad dentists and bad OBgyn's. It's the patients' fault if they stay.
I had a friend of mine die of lung cancer, in her late 40's. Didn't smoke.
Hmm, I definitely say that some of us are more inclined to addiction than others. I heard that it's those who have the higher tolerances to drugs or alcohol that are most susceptible. My best friend is struggling with alcoholism, makes me sad to think of his suffering, especially given all the times I've been right there with him just as nattered up. I too could've been considered an alky, carrying my own tank whenever I was out. I put a stop to it fairly easily though, so I guess I'm lucky. I hope that some day my buddy gets his drinking to the point where he can enjoy one with me (or me with him) again, none of this cold turkey stuff.
It's in the genes. George Best's mum was an alcoholic as well. A tolerance for alcohol was beneficial when water-borne diseases were prevalent. But now it's a genetic dead end.
When I became an adult, I went to AA to understand why my dad chose the bottle over the family. I wanted to listen to what those guys (sitting in large stinking rooms where everyone chains smokes and drinks instant coffee and talks about how mom never loved them) had to say. My dad (life time smoker)died from lung cancer 3 months after diagnosis. He was 50. That sucked.
Mr. Cheeks and I both come from alcoholic homes. Neither of us drink. Why tempt fate? Our children don't drink either. Alcohol is our genetic weakness.
Thank God we can have all the sex we want!
Oh yes, and chocolate. :)
"My opinion of AA, NA and all the rest is that it's mainly about getting someone to listen to your ramblings and if you have an officially sanctioned 'addiction' so much the better. Psychotherapists are pretty expensive and generally a total waste of time."
Awesome. Yeah, I sort of thought that was the main lesson to be learned from watching The Sopranos. His therapist gives him the sad puppy dog eyes all six seasons at $300 an hour, and by the end, what does he do but say screw this, it's all about living in and enjoying the moment before you get offed. Not what your mom said to you when you were 4 years old.
Also never go on an impromptu fishing trip with a bunch of guys from New Jersey, that's always a bad move.
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My friend's gran used to go to AA meetings every week, even though she never drank a drop in her life, to meet friends and hear their stories, inventing her own.
Cheaper than the movis, I guess.
What Uber just described reminds me of Fight Club. I wonder how much that sort of thing really goes on. I bet a lot more after the movie Fight Club came out.
I used to think that cancer was caused by boredom, and then abandoned the idea. Maybe I was onto something after all.
As for AA members and casual sex - you'd think that with them never getting laid, they'd die out eventually, but they seem to keep popping up.
What I think is weird are these people who are "addicted" to gambling, women's shoes, porno, etc. For god's sake. That's the most pathetic thing I can imagine, getting addicted to something that isn't even a proper drug.
the thing that always got me about AA/NA type groups (i work with a lot of addicts) is their base line is "relapse is a part of recovery"...while i understand the philosophy behind this, it seems to me to be an excuse for some to use...if they aren't getting enough attention...go on a bender and come back to the group and they will love you and cuddle you and wrap all around you...whatever...i think it is used for the person's benefit most times and is not seen for the manipulative need the rest of the time...i guess i just get sick of the rhetoric of the whole thing...and the "god is going to help me" part doesn't sit well with me either...can you tell i spent way too much time in meetings with my grandfather only to watch him go out after and get drunk and do whatever he wanted...just to come back and say "sorry i am an alcoholic"...that just doesn't excuse some things...and just because you go to the meeting doesn't make you special...in my book anyway
I went to a couple of AA meetings with my ex wife but she was never going to admit to having a problem---but then she started to go to meetings regularly----
Found out that she had picked up some married guy and they were going to the pub after the meetings.
Geez, maybe I could meet someone there
steve...The day someone invents non fattening chocolate is the day I die and go to heaven
billy....This was a bit tongue in cheek...like you say there are some genuine addicts but some are equally addicted to the attention they get from AA meetings
suzy...people sometimes have a stronger genetic or emotional propensity towards addiction but that does not make it a disease. Some of them deserve our sympathy but most do not for example those D list celebs who go on the TV show Celebrity Rehab
badside...I heard that it's those who have the higher tolerances to drugs or alcohol that are most susceptible.
then I am officially not an addict. Three lugs on a joint and I tend to pass out in a corner!
gorilla bananas.....I know, it makes me laugh that 150 years ago people used to drink beer for breakfast. Must have made for a rather jolly morning providing you didn't have to drunk drive a coach and horses later!
sweet cheeks....mmm...sex and chocolate are the best medicine
gargamello...
Although I said psychotherapy is crap I think I would definately do it if I was rich just for the attention ... it just seems like such an unbelievable waste of money for those who are not wealthy, when mostly the therapists just nod and say something like, "I see." Also I have never personally met anyone who seemed any better after they had undergone therapy but often they believed they had been cured.
UBERMOUTH...
My friend's gran used to go to AA meetings every week, even though she never drank a drop in her life, to meet friends and hear their stories, inventing her own.
hilarious! I might try that.
Captain Smack...
I've always wanted to infiltrate a Sexual Addicts Anonymous meeting just to hear the stories. But I fear I'd start laughing uncontrollably.
As for AA members and casual sex - you'd think that with them never getting laid, they'd die out eventually
....AA folks lay each other in a very earnest fashion. It takes about 18 dates to get laid though because they don't have alcohol to oil the wheels of seduction.
Daisy...
The argument is that although AA is to some extent a cult it is better than nothing because otherwise many people would drink themselves to death. So I think AA is fair enough...but like you say many are addicted to the relapse, cure drama of AA
Clyde...
Geez, maybe I could meet someone there
You'd be better off at the sex addicts anon meeting! let me know how you get on
You can't get laid easily at an AA meeting? Well hell... *scratches that off his list*
If ever I raid the cocktail cabinet for Creme de Menthe or Baileys for my alcoholic hit then I know I'm due for a visit to AA.
My Aunt, Uncle and Cousin died of alcohol related illnesses - one lost each of the last three years (Cous' was 40)
To be honest they were lost to us long before that - unrecognisable as they were a few years ago.
Anyway. On a lighter note. Cracking new avatar ... for my collection !
;-)
I think people proclaim themselves addicts sometimes for a bit of attention. Look at David Duchovny- addicted to sex, he said, yet...no other females (or males) were involved. Just his computer and internet connection. So really he was just a compulsive wanker. As long as you're not whipping it out half way round the supermarket I can't see the problem.
Simultaneously, of course, he's in a TV show about a Lothario writer. Which maybe needed a little bit of publicity.
Clearly a sufferer of attention addiction (like most actors)- it doesn't take a therapist to work that one out.
Let me know where your meetings are held
Dean Martin said: "I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they get up in the morning, that's the best they're going to feel all day."
I know, it makes me laugh that 150 years ago people used to drink beer for breakfast.
Yes, they did because there wasn't any fresh water! I only found this out last year. We take a lot for granted.
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Now that it is considered an absolute blasphemy to say "Fag" how do you English get away with still calling your cigarettes that? I would think an army of poorly dressed New York lesbians and well dressed San Fran girlie men would be all over you, beating you into submission with giant rainbow colored crucifixes the instant the word left your mouth.
You guys should call them 'cunts' instead. As in, "I've smoked cunts for 10 years and I feel fine."
electro-kevin....
yes I give you sexy avatars and you give me a sexless avatar of a flag. It's hardly fair is it? why don't you get your kit off for a change?
roland hulme.....I'd love to be an alcoholic because life's more colorful on the sauce but there are too many downsides like: drunken sex with nutters, vomiting, getting lost after the pub, hangovers which get worse with every passing year etc.
I'll stick to chocolate I think!
scarlet-blue....the funny thing is in China etc they didn't drink ale for breakfast and just drank tea. I bet the Engish knew that's how you could kill germs but just wanted to be nice and pissed at breakfast!
memphis steve....Actually even gays use the word 'fag' for homosexual quite freely in the UK. Many words that are considered swearwords in the USA are actually terms of affection over the pond like friends might say in greeting: "How are you you old cunt?"
misssy m....Duchovny and porn addiction, it's a wierd one isn't it? Men tell me that they can look at internet porn for hours which I don't really get. Say you do, er, pleasure yourself to it, surely that's ten minutes taken care of and surely the novelty has worn off by then? Men are strange.
So many things to say.
Lung cancer- just recently been through this scare with my husband, ex smoker and he had a lump show up on a random chest xray. Turned out to be the shadow of his nipple (yeah, nevermind you incompetent fucks, only flew back from Australia, changing our life plan of moving there) and nothing wrong. I think that smog has a big deal to play these days. Then again, the damage occurs years previous when you do smoke and comes back to haunt you after you're a good kid. I say keep having fun every day.
Alcoholism - I think it's a real addiction but only for a minority. There are plenty of attention seekers out there. I was in the exact same situation as you, had a girl pal that we used to have the best pissed up times together and then she decided that she was an alcoholic. Bull piss. I drank a hundred times more than her and did a thousand more embarassing things. The thing that sickened me was the way her Dad said at a social bbq "so what does every one think of our little alcoholic?" as if it was a thing to be proud of. She has a thousand issues and actually needs her head read. Attention all the way. And I went with her to an AA meeting and some guy was whinging about how he went to the pub and woke up in Hawaii (from NZ). That's when he realised he was an alcoholic. Shite, I'd love to go to Hawaii, wonder what pub he went to that night??
jules....glad you agree with me. It's like okay it's fine if people want to join AA but then they get so holier than thou that they are less fucked up than you when really all they have done is swap one addiction (alcohol/need for attention) for another (AA meetings)
Hmm, I know there are more polluted cities than London out there but it is always a bit of a gross shock when you find grey stuff in your tissue after having a jolly good day out and about in this fabulous city.
Dunno about AA or NA. Haven't been around people who have gone to those meetings although to be fair, a few of them probably should've been.
kathryn...I know there are worse places than London. I was recently in Chennai and felt like I was having an asthma attack in the streets, they use disel fuel and the air is fetid.
They are attention whores who dont want to follow the rules and use drugs and alcohol as a crutch and reason for being complete and total failures.. IMHO
Or I could be a bitter bitch - I am gonna go with my first response though that seems the most legit.
I like drinking. I get up and go to work; I look after my children; I like to get plastered. (My children don't see me get plastered, mind.)
What I'm taking from this is that AA is the way to meet celebrities. One can always smuggle a hipflask in just in case it gets boring.
Compulsively Yours...for now.....
They are attention whores who dont want to follow the rules and use drugs and alcohol as a crutch and reason for being complete and total failures..
you hit the nail on the head!!
meva...
If one has kids one must drink heavily...it is cool...as long as it is not on the school run!
Conortje...
lol...yeah it's a great place to celebrity watch
ah sorry about your long ago friend. how sad.
this is how LA is in the US= so polluted...my friends Aunt is in her 40's and has lung cancer, never smoked, lives in LA.
yuck.
ps i was in AA from age 17 to 30, sober, and it helped me tremendously. it is an invaluable service.
Why don't I get MY kit off ?
Show us yours first !
Anyway. You tease us all by giving away very little in actuality - it's all in the presentation. In other words you give grrreat ed !
(Editorial, that is.)
You're very clever and worth ten supermodels in my book.
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I feel lucky that I'm not addicted to drugs or a heavy drinker. Probably growing up in a home full of grog went along way towards that avoidance of both.
I'm sorry to hear about your friend.
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see that is exactly why I can't quit being an alcoholic, that has got to be the longest boringest life! As long as I'm boozed up I won't notice there is a problem.
Also, I'm like your friend Alice, a cheap date. That's a lightweight not an alcoholic.there's a difference..
electro-kevin....
re you getting your kit off that is
tit for tat or tit for twat
You haven't even shown me your legs so don't expect me to show you my unmentionables ;)
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