Tuesday, June 09, 2009

High Infidelity


Infidelity is a complex subject so I'm not going to try and give a few glib answers about why people do it but it does seem to me that people are a lot less enlightened about infidelity these days than you might think. In the old days it was, Oh Mrs Simmons from 93 had an affair and everyone knows her son Jimmy isn't really Mr Simmons' but let's not talk about it. Basically you just ignored the fact your husband or wife was up to no good and let the pain fester like a septic wound until you died because divorce was taboo.

I remember visiting my granddad (83) after being out of touch for many years - a British upper class somewhat overbearing character - in his cottage in England. My grandmother had died ten years before and actually I was pretty fond of her. So we're having a chat about the weather and the price of petrol when I notice there are no pictures of my gran anywhere in the sitting room and there is some other old woman plastered all over the place. So I say, "Oh, who's that?"

He doesn't bat an eyelid and says, "Oh that's Daphne, my lover. She's been my lover all my life." He then goes on to tell me he's been bonking her all these years while I want to put my fingers in my ears and scream, please make him stop! Then he goes on to say after gran died he married this old bird and bought her a flat and they moved in together. All very touching, until she died after falling off a bus. I don't know, I just thought, you jerk. Did you really have to tell me that you are basically going to pretend your wife didn't exist? It really turned my stomach. His attitude was quite modern I suppose: let it all hang out, let's not brush this under the carpet, but he was the type that existed then and exists now, a kind of sociopath who feels no guilt whatsoever for his behavior even though now, looking back I am sure my gran knew what he was up to because I remember her calling him ten times a day at the office and being jealous of other women etc etc.

But my point is this, it takes two to tango and the one who is cheating does so precisely because they know he/she can get away with it. I know so many women, married with kids, whose partners have cheated and they sort of forgive them and then guess what, the guy does it again. I think maybe you can forgive them once but after that you have to simply slash their tires and change the locks.

Like this woman Sally I know who has a daughter and told me recently that her husband has been cheating on her for the ten years they have been married. She said, "He recently confessed that two months after we were married he was with some prostitutes, but that doesn't bother me, that was just blowjobs with condoms."

"I don't get that. How could he do it after two months?"

"Well he'd do it after we'd had rows."

"Still ..." The situation here is it was obvious this guy was a real weirdo if he was doing this so soon into his marriage. Maybe it simply slipped his mind that he was married.

"But recently he got involved with a woman at work, emotionally involved, and that really bothered me. He told me it was finished but then I went round to her flat and found them in there and I confronted them, and I really think that affair is now over. And now I've joined a church and Peter is coming and he's going to get control of his impulses. It's for our daughter - you can't just throw in the towel. He says he's sorry and he won't do it again and I believe he can change."

Well I applaud her faith in human nature but I don't think he will change. Now, I'm not saying I am pure as the driven snow. I had a boyfriend once - for some reason although we were very close we could never commit to each other - who after we split up moved in with another woman and we'd sleep with eachother sometimes and I can't say I felt any guilt. Still, I wasn't the one attached (justifying it to myself!)

So, where would you draw the line? Could you forgive your wife/husband/partner for cheating on you? It just seems to me like it is a slippery slope.

19 comments:

Kate Lord Brown said...

Researching sex during WWII at the moment (well, someone has to do it). 1 in 3 or 4 babies born during war was illegitimate. Infidelity has been around as long as marriage ...

Steve said...

Fidelity is difficult but not impossible and not outmoded and should be aspired to. Call me old fashioned but when you marry someone the vows you make are just as much to yourself as to the other person. There's no such thing as casual or free sex. No such thing as "it was just sex". The act carries an emotional charge that can backfire on you if you're doing the dirty on somone.

Christ. I sound a right prig.

I two timed someone only once. It was a loathesome experience. My conscience simply coulnd't handle it. I would never do it again. The months of misery you feel afterwards completely obliterates the hour of enjoyment. It just ain't worth it in my book. Much better to put your enegeries into your marriage and building up the kind of sex life that splinters beds and ignites matresses. You know I'm right.

otherworldlyone said...

Couldn't have said it any better than Steve.

Mia Dickinson said...

My step dad's been cheating on my mum for the last 18 years. At the beginning she said she wanted him to stay around because of my younger brothers but now they're in their early 20s and the bastards still around!

I think my mothers got used to it, he makes it so obvious when hes with his other women it makes me sick.

And now I sound bitter.

Mr. Condescending said...

I can't go to strip clubs or anything because I know that so many of those guys are married, I always wonder how upset their wives would be.

Scarlet-Blue said...

I think that for some people marriage is wrong and they are never going to be able to commit... trouble is that they find this out after an expensive wedding and 4 kids.
Sx

fingers said...

'The prick lit, dick lit ship sailed about five years ago...'

No one wants to read this stuff anymore, Emma.
Do a post on merchant bankers...

badside said...

I think if someone is carrying on for years like that, they might as well just end the relationship. To each their own I guess.

electro-kevin said...

I'm not sure if Fingers is talking in rhyming slang there (merchant bankers)

I'd forgive Mrs E-K, but only the once.

Human said...

Fidelity is a newfangled requirement of human beings, only several hundred years old. People weren't meant to be with a single partner for 50 years as a rule. Actually, people weren't supposed to LIVE 50 years.

People cheat because they aren't getting something they need in their committed relationship. So don't put all the blame on your grandpa--it partly rests on your grandma's shoulders too, I bet.

And people cheat because it's outside of our human biology to stay with one sexual partner for more than about a decade, and it's better for the human race to have as many biologically different people as possible. (spread the seed and all that)

xl said...

Cheat? Hit The Road Jack!

Reluctant Blogger said...

I have often thought about writing about fidelity and never had the courage to do so. In fact, I think I did write something once but never posted it. I may buck up the courage to do so one day.

It is a fascinating area and I find myself kind of agreeing with bits of what everyone says.

I suppose the long and short of it for me is that I don't think it need be a bad thing to sleep with someone else occasionally. When I finished my affair and spoke to people about it so many people told me that they had done similar things (usually for shorter periods or maybe just once or twice) and that they would do so again. Their partners had never known and so no harm was done. Why chuck a good marriage/relationship just because the sex is not as good as it could be or because you need a bit of a thrill and something new to feel more alive.

I am not convinced I would do it again. I think I would rather stay free.

But I think if you can be careful both in terms of not letting anyone find out, not catching anything nasty and not falling in love with your bit on the side then it can be a good thing. As someone else said we are not designed to stay with one person for years on end. If you choose to do it you lose quite a lot (perhaps balanced out by the gains for many people - security, love, social acceptability) but we should all be able to choose without being condemned.

It was falling in love that let me down - so hard not to.

lynn's daughter said...

Honestly, I'm not sure what I'd do. As far as I know, while married, I haven't been in that situation. I find it easier just to make it very, very clear that I would NOT tolerate it, and thus the perpetrator would lose me and half his stuff. I'm pretty sure he loves the house at least as much as he loves me, and our lifestyle together, so perhaps that's a deterrent. In any case, having set up the scenerio for him, I never have to deal with it. That way, if it happens, I will be unaware. Not a modern, popular, liberated notion, but it's one I can live with.

EmmaK said...

kate lord brown..
wow 1 in 3 or 4 babies illegitimate. I never knew those air raid shelters could be such an aphrodisiac!

Steve...
I think most people sometimes want to have an affair when one's marriage is not going so well but it never seems to patch up a marriage.

Yeah casual or free sex ends when you get married.

otherworldlyone...
Ah yes he is a wise old sage with a splintery bed.

Mia Dickinson...
I think my mothers got used to it, he makes it so obvious when hes with his other women it makes me sick.
that does sound like a very disrespectful situation..maybe you can convince her to kick him out?

Mr. Condescending...
Are strip clubs really that bad? I don't think so. Surely its only cheating if you have sex with someone.

Scarlet-Blue...
true how does one know one is incapable of being faithful BEFORE one gets married and has kiddos. That's the tricky bit.

fingers...
Yeah I meant to say can I join you on the prick lit ship. I was thinking you could be Seaman Staines and I could be Master Bates (reference to UK kids show Captain Pugwash)

badside...
I guess the person cheating for years somehow justifies it in their head ie 'my wife doesn't understand me, I need this other woman' etc.

electro-kevin...
The Lord works through Fingers. Right there he was speaking in tongues ... he was suddenly a cockney barrow bow talking about merchant wankers.

Human...
I know but why not just get divorced and move onto the next one rather than cheating which is disrespectful?

xl...
Thank God we have one person with strong principles...actually aren't you MJs slave and pillow fluffer. Maybe you're not so innocent as I thought.

Reluctant Blogger...
Their partners had never known and so no harm was done. Why chuck a good marriage/relationship just because the sex is not as good as it could be or because you need a bit of a thrill and something new to feel more alive.
you have a point - I suppose if you can really have an affair that does not at all affect your partner then it is okay but it hardly ever works out that way unfortunately, emotions often get involved and it becomes messy.

lynn's daughter...
Not a modern, popular, liberated notion, but it's one I can live with.
at least you have made your position crystal clear!

Media Junkie said...

i was in a really intense relationship when i got cheated on - so for me, you only get one shot. if i catch him, he's gone. because i'm too devastated, and that faith i have in him is broken and hard to gain back again. it's never just a 'only once' thing. it will happen again. and i can't live like that, wondering when he's going to cheat again.

i'm not innocent either. cheating is cheating. i have cheated - but to my defense, i knew the guy i was dating was going to break up with me, so i went ahead with it.

unique_stephen said...

Don't confuse sex and love.

If wife goes and gets her rocks off with some other bloke - why should I, her husband, want to limit her life experience? Go for it I say. I don't think we are monogamous by nature but I do want a stable home for the kids and with someone to grow old with. You can have you cake and eat someone else's.

Ida's Idioms said...

The man is 83, he could be spinning you a yarn & She may very well be Alive & out of reach, that is why he has these delusions, the man's senile, or could be true, he is just a dirty old man & Grand Mother knew it as she turned a blind eye happy & content with domestic bliss without all that humping..

EmmaK said...

ida´s idioms...wise words yes my grandad may be delusional never though of that. As for some women being pleased hubby is having an affair so they don´t have to have sex with him i agree - it was such a disaster for so many old women when viagra reared its ugly head eh?

Radmila said...

I think that every situation is unique, and I think that many people have to go until it's the end for them.

Infidelity erodes a relationship from the inside out. Eventually, even the stupidest of stupid has enough, and leaves.

..and I"m being mean when I say stupid, because in any marriage there more people involved than just the couple. Children, inlaws, friends who love them both...

I'm friends with an ex-couple, and their break up was difficult for me because I love them both. When they split up, I thought: If they can't make it..what hope is there for me?

I dunno.