
People say that if you really want to change you can but I'm afraid I don't buy it. Take me learning Spanish. I have done evening classes for nearly a year and a half now and I am totally fluent if by fluent you mean I could easily converse with a group of Spanish five year olds. The current class I am in is mostly peopled by people who have advanced Spanish but like taking an intermediary class just to show off. Or maybe it is simply a situation of Us and Them. The people who effortlessly learn foreign languages are simply Them and I am simply an Us. I really do adore all of the people in my class but the penny is only now belatedly starting to drop that not only are they all doing the homework they are listening to Spanish radio on the internet and doing extra study to get themselves up to snuff while I basically gaze at my navel and fantasize about Enrique Iglesias whispering Spanish nothings in my ear.
Oh cripes it really is a case of doing it (studying Spanish) every day but what is going to be the motivation? It's time to have a motivational fantasy to keep me going. In a year's time I will be asked to host a S. American chat show and I will need to speak fluent Spanish! Yes of course. I mean how do these Them people do it? How do they learn Spanish JUST FOR FUN when learning Spanish is not fun apart from the lessons when you do role play in broken Spanish about, "Now we are fishing with our rods. You have a very long fish. Would you like to see my fish?"

So far the class is stricly Us and Them. The Us is me and a sixty year old jolly English nun who I will call Sister Valium because she is always high even though she isn't on anything. She seems to study a great deal but isn't really any good.

Then there is the Them group. The main people in that group are:
Harry Potter - a totally nice looking French Canadian guy but scratch beneath the surface and you'll find a Type A. Firstly he told us that when he moved to Baltimore to do his PhD he had never spoken English and just 'picked it up' when he got here to the level where you could do a PhD. I thought, WHAAAATTTTTT? He seems to be living in some kind of world pre supermarkets because he said when he goes fishing in Canada he brings six ice boxes of fish down to Baltimore (WHY? And where does he store them?) Then he said he makes all his own cheese and pickles his own vegetables and has whole bookshelves full of them. But the wierdest thing he said was when we were discussing what we did over Thanksgiving and he said he cooked a twelve pound turkey JUST FOR HIMSELF. He did not break down and sob with embarassment about this i.e. that he had no friends to invite for Thanksgiving. He is cheerful as you like and insanely good at Spanish. I mean come on, even Sister Valium had seven nuns over for Thanksgiving. I am wondering if maybe Harry Potter and Sister Valium might not get together one day because she once told me she thought he was 'very handsome' and winked saucily. I don't think the forty year age gap should put them off.
Bird Lady - a sixty year old wizened crone who told me she 'hates kids but loves birds' and who without a trace of embarassment has told us that she is learning Spanish especially the Spanish names of birds because she is a bird fancier and wants to go on a Spanish bird watching holiday. She also works in a bank as a computer programmer ten hours a day and somehow has the time to be absolutely brilliant at Spanish in her spare time. Makes me spit let me tell you.
There are a few other Thems in the class but none of them are that interesting. There are a couple of middle aged eggheads who are going off to an Argentinian holiday soon to 'perfect their Spanish' who I have mercifially palmed off a ton of Argentinian pesos on knowing that if I held on to those notes until I was next in Argentina it might be too late and the currency might be worthless as toilet paper.
So what I am really wondering is do you have to be a cheese making high flyer or bird fancier i.e. be someone who is totally unembarassed by having a mindblowing boring hobby to be good at languages? I mean I can't imagine admitting a passion for a holiday tracking the yellow bellied warbler let alone admitting I'd ever made a turkey for one. Jesus I'd go and join an AA meeting before I'd sit home pulling a cracker between myself and slicing up a twelve pound turkey before cutting my jugular. Know what I mean?

My point is that right now I am an Us but I want to be a Them. I want to astound people at parties with my fluent Spanish. I've got a feeling slackerhood is no longer cool. Maybe I've missed the new trend. I've got a feeling Nerddom is the new black and I missed the trend. What about you - are you an Us or a Them when it comes to learning languages?



























19 comments:
My wife is Colombian. Her family life is all in Spanish.
I have just have to accept that the barrier to my being able to do what everyone else can do (i.e. with a bit of effort, learn a language) is that I'm lazy and stupid.
I suspect your in the same boat.
I studied French in high school. The emphasis was on translation rather than conversation. As a result, I can read French and comprehend most of it. I can speak (and mis-pronounce!) what I know at a simple level. Most spoken French is too fast for me to keep up with.
I suggest you learn a few Spanish songs like La Paloma and invite the French-Canadian guy over for dinner.
I suspect the French-Canadian is full of merde. Several (OK..Two) of my Quebecois colleagues are snorting and rolling their eyes at the idea of him 'picking up' English.
I took an Italian course a couple of years ago and got very confused indeed. I learned a bit of French and German in school and a bit less Irish. All of it came flooding back to me instead of the bloody Italian.
I briefly dip into the Them camp for the first few weeks, do all the homework, the research, pass the tests... and then gradually lose motivation, get a life, find more interesting things to do and basically fly back into the Us cam like tennis ball on a bungee rope.
unique_stephen... well ...your situation would be a real motivator for me to learn the language. Just do it! No I am not stupid, certainly lazy but I am really going to put my back into this because I am intimidated by the brainiacs.
xl...I studied French for five years at school and can read subtitles on films and comprehend like you but not speak. I speak fluent german tho but my mum taught me when i was a nipper.
gorilla bananas.....I know he's really a multitasker isn't he??...he's bringing a Flan to the end of term party.
the hangar queen...well I mean he probably listened to the BBC 24/7 for six months. but like you say he may be full of merde!!!
Steve.....What language did you study??
French. What makes it worse was that I wasn't at all bad at it. Just had no commitment.
I'm an Us and feel terribly uneducated sometimes.
Slackerhood was never cool. What WAS cool was being a slacker and yet an achiever at the same time. A person who acquires such skills and graces effortlessly.
And annoyingly these people DO exist. Beautiful, multi-lingual doctors who achieved everything nearly always first time - sure they work hard, but for US it would be impossibly hard and that's why we can never be them.
I boost my esteem by comparing myself to losers all the time - though by the day I'm having to revise my standards downwards !
The problem as I see it is that you have almost no talent for language, so why pick on of the most spoken tongues on the planet to learn ??
My advice is to take Basque !!!
It's totally dead, spoken by about 5 people worldwide, sounds pretty cool and no one will be able to tell if you're just saying 'Yibbita yibbita smack a blue pig'...
I've heard several times that people who learn more than one language at a young age retain a higher ability to learn new languages later in life. I learned to curse like a drunken sailor when I was two, so I guess I fall into the THEM category, although strangely the sailor language seems to be all one needs to get through life, and best of all it's universally understood! :^D
El-Kevo...
I'm afraid I can't get off on boosting my self esteem by comparing myself to losers. But I do wish someone would invent a chip to put in your head so you'd miraculously learn a language.
fingers...
You know what really turns me on about Spanish - the fact that I can't understand a blinking word they're saying, like when I was in Buenos Aires it sounded terribly romantic listening to them when they were probably saying disgusting and banal things like:
"Oh I need to get home my hubby's colostomy bag needs changing."
"Okay then, I'll be off to buy some fish heads."
I am pretty sure I could learn Spanish in a Spanish speaking country in about 3 months but S America is hopelessly polluted so I don't think I could live there. That leaves Spain but I don't really fancy that all those british expats on the Costa del Sol. I am screwed...basically
badside...
I've heard several times that people who learn more than one language at a young age retain a higher ability to learn new languages later in life.
that seems to be BS because I learnt German from birth and it has not helped me learn other languages better than a person who just grew up with their native tongue.
Fuck, I am so Us, I even lived in Brazil for 2 years and my Portuguese was still pretty half-assed. I hate Them!
Hon, I was born 'n' raised in rural New Mexico, where roughly 40 percent of the population only speaks Spanish. My mother, she was a German straight off the boat. I should be fluent in both languages, right? Nyet. I'm an Us. Or, as Truman Capote, who spent ten years living in Italy and in all that time only learned how to say "coffee" in Italian, would put it: I'm a solid linguitard.
Hey Em, very impressive--
As long as you can find the Spanish toilet and get a feed, then you are a linguistic success.
Unless you live in a country or with someone who speaks the language as a native----or you are a nerd---you are never going to be fluent---but you'll get by
Well done
Geez, how do people learn English when we have American, Australian, Irish, Scottish
Eric....that's CRAZY...how could you live in Brazil and not learn the language?? My sympathies darling!
moi...
Darling I just had a feeling you would be fluent in Spanish ...how you dissapoint me. It must prove that there are some of us who are linguistially retarded - but I am down but now out. I will become a linguist!
Clyde...
that's the problem I have identified - I am not a nerd - I can't learn it 'just for fun' the way other nerds learn about astrology or learn klingon. Darn and drat and damnation!
Stick to the Portuguese. I wouldn't if I were you as they only speak it in Brazil.
There's a landing strip for you.
Just laugh hysterically at the French-Canadian's French accent. We do, but then the French laugh at our accent ('our' being Belgian). The French-Canadian's accent is a bit like the Liègois who come up with expressions like 'oufti!' which is hysterical, even on a rainy day.
I apparently have a Belgian accent when speaking French, but my written French is dire.
There are parts of Spain without Brits if you search hard. You can do it, I know you can.
when your american southern accent comes out of your british mouth, i find it just a bit scary!
hey ho, my final is tomorrow evening... we should celebrate before the holidays... :)
I'm definitely a Them. My mother is spanish speaking (from El Salvador) and learned Italian (her father was Italian/Irish) and came to Canada not knowing a word of English, but learning it by taking classes, working and just immersing herself in the culture however way she could.
As a result, I learned Spanish and English at home, getting snippets of Italian every now and again. At school, my mother put me in a French Immersion class, so basically every class was in French, hence I learned the French language.
Long story short, I know Spanish, English, French, a little Italian and a little Sign Language (thanks to random books at College Library).
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